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Vicious cycle lacks easy solution — DAVE DALE'S SOAPBOXING

Posted By DAVE DALE The Nugget

Updated 5 months ago

Turning Canada's social safety net into a trampoline should be one of our primary goals.

And the only way to make poverty a temporary stopover is to tweak the system to help people who need support benefits to make ends meet so they can pull themselves into a better reality.

Of course, there are some who will always depend on community programs and services, but I'm talking about those who would have a chance to be independent if the system didn't hold them back.

That's one of the reasons the Interfaith Social Assistance Reform Coalition is co-ordinating community "social audits" across Ontario.

Hearings were held at the North Bay Public Library over two days this week. There were 40 participants representing disability support recipients, people accessing welfare allowances and the working poor, as well as 20 frontline workers who provide a patchwork of social services.

The local audit was organized by the North Bay and Area Social Planning Council and I dropped by the library boardrooom Thursday morning to hear how things went. The audits have become annual events because it takes a long time to change attitudes and philosophies.

Recommendations are compiled with audits elsewhere and the final product is brought to Queen's Park to fuel legislative consideration.

Reporters were not invited to hear firsthand what participants had to say, partly to give those who came a forum to speak freely and openly without fear of being misrepresented or misconstrued.

Rev. Jim Sinclair was among the council members speaking for the participants and he said social assistance recipients are given shelter allowances that don't cover the cost of renting an apartment and food allowances that fall short of a healthy diet.

And while emergency dental care is covered, preventative checkups and cleanings are out of reach.

The audit was conducted at an interesting time when the district's welfare cases are up 20% over last year and the Northeastern region has the worst unemployment rate in the province.

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He said the frontline workers are dealing with people who have never had to put their hat in hand before. The "haves are becoming the have nots" for the first time and they're not used to how the system works.

In the most crude terms possible, for the past few decades or maybe more, people who end up poor are treated poorly. They're stripped of dignity and forced to fit into boxes that are convenient to administrate.

Bonnie Risser is one of the audit volunteers and she's been through the system about three times.

She said it's a real shock for some people to discover they have to sell off their clunker cars and divest themselves of all their assets before getting help to feed their children or pay basic bills.

"It's very intrusive," she said, with social workers forced to review bank records and delve into their private lives to ensure a person has absolutely nothing before they can qualify for help, which makes it even harder to bounce back.

Sinclair said some people end up not buying medication so they can afford rent and food for their children, mostly due to benefits set at levels that don't take into account higher costs of living in certain cities or towns.

And when they get sicker, they become even more dependent.

Risser said people with young children are forced to stay on benefits because they can't get a job without childcare, but they can't get childcare subsidies without a job.

It's a vicious circle and I don't know the magic solution. I've seen people who milk the system and I've seen people struggle against red tape to get out.

But it's encouraging to see the community trying to find solutions and I'm looking forward to the report that will be compiled from the local audit.

I hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears.

Dave Dale's column appears Thursday and Saturday.

He can be contacted at ddale@nugget.ca

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Good article Dave.
Social assistance as it is, is causing more harm than good for so many people. If you look at the current pool of people who have been laid off in the last 2 years most came from well paying jobs.
With these jobs they were putting money into the community, owned cars, houses, apartments etc. If social assistance wants these people to sell off their cars what happens to the people who currently owe on the title? do we give the car back to the dealer and end up owing still?
The pittance that is given out to people only promotes unhealthy eating, and living in squalor.

Post #1 By jmb2, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Great article - the system is set up to encourage failure - example dental care to keep teeth is denied - if the tooth is rotting then they will pay to have it removed - if you loose all your teeth you can't afford dentures - who will ever get a job if they are fighting infections with rotting teeth - oh and if you have a dental emergency just try to get a dentist - because of the rates that welfare pays which barely covers the dentist's out of pocket costs and pretty much none of his time - if a dentist were to see too many welfare clients he would be out of business because he couldn't afford his rent - just phone around and ask dental offices if they will accept a welfare patient - it will be a real eye opener - and teeth are part of health so in the end this policy costs more for health care and people can't get off welfare because of the health problems created by the dental problems - the policy should be get you healthy, get you educated or updated education and then help you find a job - they will push you to look for work but there are no babysitters or transportation breaks to help you do that - take it out of the food budget that is the answer to everything - by the way I am not a welfare recipient - just someone who sees whats going on around me

Post #2 By northernmama, 5 months ago | 1 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Then again is the problem of people collecting assistance (either welfare or disability) who have their benefits cut to the bone should they have a spouse who is capable of contributing to the household but doesn't as it would mean living at a poverty level when benefits are clawed back excessively. The aim should be to encourage those able to work to do so without prohibitive penalization.
Don't cut dollar received for dollar earned but do claw back to a minimum realistic standard of living......

Post #3 By Da Truth, 5 months ago | 1 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

jmb2 could comments - welfare should be a support system but it starts to sound like a punishment for falling on hard times - now I know people will say that some people are on welfare for life - maybe so but beating them up and keeping them down what does that do for their children - give those kids a half decent beginning and maybe they won't end up angry and on the streets, or growing up and accessing the system - support the parents so they can raise children who will become tax paying members of society - they say it takes a village to raise a child - it also takes healthy parents and enough money to eat as well as pay the rent - why are poor women quite often overweight - because potatoes and other starchy foods make you feel full and you can leave the meat and the good veggies for the kids (when you can afford to buy them) - so the mom ends up eating something to feel full but not getting enough proper nourishment - I wish there was a way for the nugget to shadow 3 or 4 welfare families for a month (without revealing their identities) and show people what these families face day to day - it would be an eye opener - when I was a volunteer at a church food bank I saw people line up in the pooring rain to get a can of sauce, a pkg of sphegetti and a few bits of can goods - that isn't laziness - that is the face of hunger

Post #4 By northernmama, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

opps jmb2 I didn't mean to say could comments but GOOD COMMENTS -

Post #5 By northernmama, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Something definitely needs to be done to get and keep people healthy and train the people who have been in the system to support themselves. Anyone who claims someone wants to be on Social Assistance is out of their mind. No healthy individual would WANT to live in poverty.
If someone WANTS this life style they probably she be getting medical attention and be in the disability system instead of Welfare.

Post #6 By jmb2, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

JMB...if the car is a lease--they do not have to get rid of it--since they do not own it!

Post #7 By NoWay!, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Northern Mama
Dental care is covered---It is the DENTISTS that do not accept the cards! it is their greed!

Post #8 By NoWay!, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

The asset limit for an owned car is 10 000 for OW--- I would say that that is pretty fair!
Also, if someone is on OW awaiting ODSP they can have the asset limit waived (their asset limit would temporarily be raised to the ODSP asset limit), this should only be utilized if they are pretty certain that they will qualify for ODSP.

I strongly believe that there are jobs available in the community (not well paying jobs--but jobs that pay more than OW). People need to be taught proper job search skills and most importantly they need workshops and supports that will uplift their self-esteem- that is the key to success. You cannot send unprepared people with no self-esteem into the community looking for work-- it does not work.

BREAK THE CYCLE--- give people the skills they need to be job ready!

Post #9 By NoWay!, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Oh...and...YES the OW works rates are low...but when you consider the benefits-- it is actually pretty decent.
1) free dental care (if you find a willing dentist)-- this saves tons of money
2) monthly bus passes- if you are actively job searching ($$$) money not coming out of the wallet!
3) Discretionary benefits--If the OW client needs something and can prove it is needed for their health / welfare- they can access these funds.
4) Employment and Training funds- money for clothing, haircuts, bras, underwear.
5) Vision care!
6) Childcare benefits (for a babysitter if you find a night shift job etc)
7) Community start up benefits (last months rent, moving expenses and money for furniture)
8) if you find a job in another community they will help you get to the new community


ETC ETC ETC!

All of these things add up! and it is not coming out of the recipients wallet!

Post #10 By NoWay!, 5 months ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down
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